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Kakumei · Aug 08, 2005, 11:02 PM // 23:02

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Originally Posted by Pandanslesdents

ArenaNet don't seem to care that much about this, otherwise they would have fixed it already.

that kind of logic is awfully fallacious and has no bearing in a reasonable discussion

you can't say that just because it isn't how you like it, that it's broken/not being worked on

how do you know they're not working on something to that effect right now?

changes that affect the entire guild wars community take quite a bit of planning and preparation

arenanet really is trying to make as many people happy as they can whether it seems that way or not

Pandanslesdents · Aug 08, 2005, 11:08 PM // 23:08

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Originally Posted by Kakumei

that kind of logic is awfully fallacious and has no bearing in a reasonable discussion

you can't say that just because it isn't how you like it, that it's broken/not being worked on

how do you know they're not working on something to that effect right now?

ArenaNet is always making some comments on things they are looking into and working on. NOTHING was ever said about looking into this particular problem....

Ashley Twig · Aug 09, 2005, 12:32 PM // 12:32

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Originally Posted by Dalamar Nightshadow

- Europe has many different languages and not a common language. This can inhibit powerful group forming due to language barriers. Europe created the Euro to resolve currency barriers; time for Europe to decide on a common language or create a common one.

I would think that europe's common language is english, for almost everybody learns it in school.

And given the amount of words you can exchange during team-up, the quality of your english doesn't have to be that good.

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Originally Posted by Dalamar Nightshadow

Instead of restricting access to UW and FOW they should make UW and FOW much harder and let everyone in. Then they could give the region with the favor of the gods a bonus to make UW/FOW easier. This doesn't solve the problem but at least it would still give all areas access to everyone.

You're right.
I think the whole american/european/korean thing is just something that fuels hate between those nations.
Just take a moment, go to the ToA and listen to all those insulting comments you sometime get e.g. on the english district.

Thomasuwoo · Aug 09, 2005, 12:42 PM // 12:42

There is a suggestion for GUI for Skillsets. If this were implimented it would make the language barrier alot less of a problem.

I also think some co-operative areas between regions would help lesson the tension between Nations. That Thread is International Temple of Ages.

Were either or both of these suggestions implimented I'm sure the not getting favor issue wouldn't be much of a problem anymore.

Mesmerized · Aug 09, 2005, 12:44 PM // 12:44

if i'm not mistaken europe got favor a few times yesterday, most recent to mind was around 11:00 EST, when i wanted to hit fow before sleep, but they got it!

so even with the lack of people, they seem to be improving

Thomasuwoo · Aug 09, 2005, 12:51 PM // 12:51

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Originally Posted by Mesmerized

if i'm not mistaken europe got favor a few times yesterday, most recent to mind was around 11:00 EST, when i wanted to hit fow before sleep, but they got it!

so even with the lack of people, they seem to be improving

Yeah I saw that. they had it on Indipendance day too

God bless Europe

Still they ARE at an obvious disadvantage and I do agree that something has to be done.

Como Fort · Aug 09, 2005, 12:59 PM // 12:59

Not enough Europeans are even playing PvP. Half the time when you go to the Tombs the European servers are empty.

Plague · Aug 09, 2005, 01:43 PM // 13:43

Personally, I think the best solution would be to make the WaW system allow the FoW and UW to be open to all regions at all times, but simply have fluctuating prices based on how close the wins are at that moment (possibly at 15 minutes intervals). If America has favor, Grenth only demands 1k. If America is 2 wins from gaining favor, it's 5k, or something.

Gwenhywar · Aug 09, 2005, 01:52 PM // 13:52

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Originally Posted by Ashley Twig

The chance is there. Europeans just don't seem to want to take it.

You can't really judge the attitude of ALL European players from what one dude posted in the forums about HIS attitude, can you? There are many Europeans that do want to take it, but the fact still remains that they have to compete against the sheer numbers of American/Korean players.

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Originally Posted by cat1982

To be honest i dont really see the problem in switching territoires, is it just out of some kind of stubborn patriotism that u stay in Europe?

I did kindly ask people to refrain from flaming posts like this, but since you didn't even read my post >.<

1) There are many reasons for people not wanting to switch servers - timezone issues being one of them. My Northamerican buddies start playing by the time I already have to go to sleep.

2) What does playing on a certain server have to do with patriotism? I'm a canadian (currently studying in Europe). For the rest ^ point above.

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Originally Posted by Dalamar Nightshadow

First off lets determine that it isn't a population problem. Korea's population is drastically less than Europe's population.

we are NOT talking about the population of the geographical territory, but the amount of ONLINE GAMERS in each country - completely different issues, don't mix them.

Due to Korea having so much faster internet connection, and to their gaming traditions, there are just so much more online gamers in Korea than in Europe, a much bigger % of population dedicatedly playing games.

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Originally Posted by Dalamar Nightshadow

- Europe has many different languages and not a common language. (...) time for Europe to decide on a common language or create a common one.

ufffff .... let me guess, your native language is English, right? every nation has a right to be proud about their culture and language, and this is something bigger nations will never be able to eliminate. I'm proud to talk a language that only 2 million other people know. But it has nothing to do with the topic, so lets move back to it

I actually reeeeeeally like the idea expressed in this thread:
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...772#post362772

which sums up like that:

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Originally Posted by DrSLUGFly

What if it wasn't based on countries though. What if we all had allegiance (as per the real term, not points) with a certain god and when a follower of Balthazaar wins 5 times all followers of Balthazaar have access to the underworld...

It seems a system like this would pretty much solve the current problems ... don't you think?

Pandanslesdents · Aug 09, 2005, 04:39 PM // 16:39

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Originally Posted by DrSLUGFly
What if it wasn't based on countries though. What if we all had allegiance (as per the real term, not points) with a certain god and when a follower of Balthazaar wins 5 times all followers of Balthazaar have access to the underworld...

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It seems a system like this would pretty much solve the current problems ... don't you think?

Yes, but you'll have to find a way so that not everyone goes for the same god. If 95% of the players become followers of Balthazaar, then it will solve nothing

I still think that access to those PvE zones should be given via a PvE quest or something like that. And that a PvP win should give some kind of PvP reward instead.

Andy_M · Aug 09, 2005, 04:51 PM // 16:51

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Originally Posted by Ashley Twig

Somebody said: If I see a french team I don't care about korea, but go for the french team.

It's like a team from texas going for southdakota or something.

Completely incorrect, how many times do we have to say that europe is a bunch of countries that dont really get on with each other and haven't for the last 1500 years or so ? We dont share a language and we dont have a shared culture, each country is individual and unique and damn proud of that fact.

yamyam of swad · Aug 09, 2005, 04:53 PM // 16:53

well said

latbec · Aug 09, 2005, 05:47 PM // 17:47

The title of the game says "Guild Wars".

Not "Continent Wars".

A.net needs to change this system or lose a part of the european market who will drop out from this game and won't buy an expansion. I'm in Europe and if I feel this game is not fair, I won't buy any expansion coming out. That will be my protest.

P.S. for people accusating us of being whiners, we don't whine, we just want a fair system.

Ochadd · Aug 09, 2005, 07:46 PM // 19:46

Fear not Euros. After we are done with Iraq you and Canada are on the list. Your national pride will soon be ours!

I only joke. It sounds to me like its something the playerbase needs to take of and not Anet.

Kakumei · Aug 09, 2005, 08:22 PM // 20:22

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Originally Posted by latbec

The title of the game says "Guild Wars".

Not "Continent Wars".

A.net needs to change this system or lose a part of the european market who will drop out from this game and won't buy an expansion. I'm in Europe and if I feel this game is not fair, I won't buy any expansion coming out. That will be my protest.

P.S. for people accusating us of being whiners, we don't whine, we just want a fair system.

i love when people misunderstand what the title means

guild wars refer to events that happened in the storyline long before your character was ever born

not anything else

Charcoal Ann · Aug 09, 2005, 08:34 PM // 20:34

I'm in Scotland and when i started i found that EVERYONE spoke bloody French!!
As Andy says Europeans have had fantastic fun over the entire course of history killing each other. the adding of different language districts won't have helped all that much (i had americanified by this point) i my view because even in America at peak(ish) time found it almost impossible to get a team together in some areas. how am i going to beat Hells Precipice when there are only 4 people there on the AMERICAN server let alone on the English language part of the European servers?

The reason i swapped was because i wanted a bit of camaraderie in my groups not just to stare at the minimap for instructions.

jaibas17 · Aug 09, 2005, 08:45 PM // 20:45

I dont know why you ppl say we dont have language barriers....

I am mexican, I am spanish primary, but we gotta deal with brazilians talking portuguese, half canada speaking france, and he english speaking ppl

What happened? well, we actually do Use our universal language, not the ones we learnt from our families

Im sure that japanese, korean an chinese are different idioms, so i dont know how they can make it good with different languagees, maybe because they look for there common one

I think that if You where in HOH, You would look for english speaking users, or your language speaking ppl

MCS · Aug 09, 2005, 08:57 PM // 20:57

*Rolls up his sleeves*

OKAY First of all UW and FoW are a reward for PvP, they are a bonus, they are not required to play the game. If they were not there you would not miss them. Euro has just as much of a chance as getting favor as anyone else. That would be like players starting to demand that they get a handicap because they aren't as good as the other players. If euro doesn't have favor they don't deserve the UW/FoW because they didn't earn it, period.

You bring the numbers in but that doesn't make sense either. So korea has 10X as many players as America, America has 10x more players than Europe. So why can we beat korea if Euro can't beat America? I almost never see korea with favor anymore despite the fact that they have 10x more people than us. Numbers mean very little.

America and Korea don't deserve handicaps just so Europe can get something they haven't earned.

Antagonist · Aug 09, 2005, 10:27 PM // 22:27

Most PvP players I know don't care for FoW or UW other than using (abusing) it as means to unlock skills quickly. What's more important is that FoW and UW are part of the Guild Wars PvE endgame content and the only one in existence so far. If you don't have favour you can just quit as well unless you are into PvP. Obsidian shards and Ecto can only be obtained there for the ultimate money sink. Even with the release of the summer update people with favour will have 50 percent more endgame content than the others.

Telling people to get over it is pretty arrogant and extremly short-sighted. ANet is interested in making people happy and not frustrated. It's confusing that many people don't get this simple concept: Happy people will buy your future products. Frustrated not. And right now many european players are very disatisfied with the current situation.

Again, changing the favour from servers to gods is only cosmetic. People will migrate to whatever deity has ususally the favour. WaW won't make people PvP who don't enjoy it. That's the believe of the defenders of the current WaW system and at least from personal experience a flawed one. Read the forums or talk to PvE people in the game. Most will tell you that they won't go into tombs because they either don't care for PvP or find it too frustrating finding good groups.

I wish ANet would give some of these boneheaded ideas they introduced into this game. If a majority of your player base (OTHER than people on the US server) hate it the concept has simply failed.

Pandanslesdents · Aug 09, 2005, 10:49 PM // 22:49

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Originally Posted by Antagonist

Most PvP players I know don't care for FoW or UW other than using (abusing) it as means to unlock skills quickly. What's more important is that FoW and UW are part of the Guild Wars PvE endgame content and the only one in existence so far. If you don't have favour you can just quit as well unless you are into PvP. Obsidian shards and Ecto can only be obtained there for the ultimate money sink. Even with the release of the summer update people with favour will have 50 percent more endgame content than the others.

Quite a good explanation.
I'm totally into PvE and have absolutely NO interest in PvP. Not beign able to enter 2 PvE zone because of some PvP game results IS frustrating. I'm close to finishing the game, and when it will be done, I'll have no more goals in GW. Curently I'm helping other people doing quests to somewhat extend the life of the game.
Having easier access to those 2 zones would extend my gaming experience quite a bit. I could try to gather enough money and material to get an armor made in there. Which would take a lot of time.

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Telling people to get over it is pretty arrogant and extremly short-sighted. ANet is interested in making people happy and not frustrated. It's confusing that many people don't get this simple concept: Happy people will buy your future products. Frustrated not. And right now many european players are very disatisfied with the current situation.

This could totally ruins their reputation in Europe, for future GW updates AND other games they may release later. Europe may not be the biggest market for them, but some money is better than no money. If they don't change it soon, more and more people will either leave the euro servers for the US ones, or move to other games. Remember, it's a jungle out there. There are MANY other good games. And it's easier to loose a customer than to gain one.